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Gripen E  VS  F 16 block 70 which one is best choice for replacement of MiG 21??

10/26/2016

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Now once again here we are where we have to chose between some more new variants of the 4Gs. After cancelling MMRCA tender because of being fucked up by Dassault's price changes. The new tender floated to locally manufacture single engine fighter aircraft have fighters for it. The tender has attracted two wonderful aircrafts throwing a whole new competition for Indians. And of course a whole new debate topic for Aviation geeks. The F 16 Block 70 which is dubbed to be the most advanced variant of F 16 and The Saab Gripen NG/ E.


Here we are bringing to you the full spectrum of EW capabilities, Weapons and Other warfare capabilities plus potential weaknesses. So that we can make a proper choice as to which one could be better.

Number 1 :- Block 70 F-16

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This came up as a Surprise as nobody thought Lockheed Martin would make any further advancement to the system after making Block 60 for the Arabs. The F 16 IN Super Viper a contender in MMRCA competition is considered to be quite close to Block 70. But still Block 70 packs much masala in it to be an attractive choice for the EW dominated battlefield of the future and today. The strategic advantage as what being talked in defence circles is that Last Production line of F 16 will be shifted in India.


In an interview Lockheed Officers Randall L Howard and Abhay Paranjpe told that Lockheed Martin isn't just installing a production line to satisfy IAF but wants to export the new variant globally from here. While taking about Stealth Capabilities they said that Originally the F 16 airframe wasnt designed to be stealth but for the sake of survivability the Block 70 has many follow on features. It is still unclear that If F 16 spare parts be made in India and it be exported to PAF or not.

Radar and Sensor Suite :~

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It is equipped with AN/ APG 83 AESA radar. Described as Agile beam it can perform Air to Air and Air to Ground Search and Track simultaneously. The noise reduction features of this one has made its range improved to almost 70 miles almost 84 km for engagement. The image quality in air to ground mode is described as imagery-class. Just the same that is acquired from satellites. They can be acquired from long distances for air to ground targets and using its synthetic aperture radar mode pilots can locate and recognise the ground targets. Prioritise them and engage.


The new MMC modules of it's computers are said to be 30 % faster than previous ones. Which allows sensor data fusion from the EW sensors for better situational awareness , here notably the data transfer network is quite faster than previous systems like Link 16. It is also equipped with Off boresight aiming sensor which allows pilot to sense and target something out of his field of view.
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It also features a pilot friendly automatic ground collision avoidance system. Which continuously tracks pilot's awareness with respect to decreasing altitude. It makes pilot aware and turns up the aircraft automatically if it goes too close to ground. Because while manoeuvring the aircraft to follow an enemy aircraft. The enemy may try to run wmaway by staying low and outmatching F 16 whike taking ups and downs. The F 16 may then be hitting a Mountain or be directed towards the ground then this system becomes 'Tactically Important'.

Reasons for India to select F16

1 Single Supply Chain. More availability of parts. Faster Availability in wartime.


2 Battle Proven platform and sold to many NATO countries and various countries worldwide. So India can sell F 16 spare parts.


3 One of the most advanced Variant of F 16. With almost Medium Weight Category like capabilties.


4 Strategic advantage of grounding F 16s of Pakistan Air Force.

Reasons for not selecting F 16

1 High Operating and Life cycle costs as compared to Gripen.


2 Less Sensor packed than Gripen.


3 Adversary Air Forces know F 16 better so they can formulate Strategies to counter it.


4 No sepecific advantage to Other Indian Indegeneous products like LCA.



Here are some specification of Block 70.

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Crew :~ 1 Pilot.


Engine :~ Pratt and Whitney F 119 Turbofan engine. ( The same as that on F 22)




Service Ceiling :~ 50000 ft.




Thrust :~ 39000 LBS.




Other Systems :~


Digital fiber optic, integrated flight control system, Full glass, full color cockpit, Full color, Helmet Mounted Sight, DVI(Direct Voice Input) cockpit input system.




Stealthy engine inlet, reduced frontal RCS, Strengthened airframe with titanium in key areas for greater mechanical strength in 9+ gs to pull greater weights.




Full super cruise capability, push for Mach 1.8 completely owing to the Swiss made external pylons designed for lower drag for F 18s.




Armament :~


Gun : M61 Vulcan.


Missiles:


Air-to-air missiles:
2 × AIM-7 Sparrow
6 × AIM-9 Sidewinder
6 × AIM-120 AMRAAM
6 × IRIS-T
6 × Python-4
Air-to-ground missiles:
6 × AGM-65 Maverick
4 × AGM-88 HARM
AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM)
Anti-ship missiles:
2 × AGM-84 Harpoon
4 × AGM-119 Penguin
May include 6X MBDA Meteor.


Bombs:


8 × CBU-87 Combined Effects Munition
8 × CBU-89 Gator mine
8 × CBU-97 Sensor Fuzed Weapon
4 × Mark 84 general-purpose bombs
8 × Mark 83 GP bombs
12 × Mark 82 GP bombs
8 × GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb (SDB)
4 × GBU-10 Paveway II
6 × GBU-12 Paveway II
4 × GBU-24 Paveway III
4 × GBU-27 Paveway III
4 × Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) series
4 × AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW)
Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (WCMD)
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Seeing the requirement of IAF , the track record of F 16. This could be a better choice. Many people feel that Usage of F 119 engine could be a deal breaker but maintenance of that is quite expensive. It is unconfirmed yet. Even the USAF finds it hectic to maintain it. The F 16 has been used in wargames all around the world and therefore it wouldn't be a formidable challenge for IAF's enemies to develop counter strategies. The 16000m service cieling allows it to fly over himalayas comfortably.

Now let's see what the Swedes have got in their giftpack.

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Number 2 :~ Saab JAS 39 Gripen E.

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The Gripen makers since the days of MMRCA competition are quite desperate to make sale to IAF. So much that we all know they even gave an advertisement on a Bus Stop in New Delhi. Be it Draken Viggen or Gripen the Swedes have always impressed the world with thier designs. Now Gripen is something truely solid and comes with an proven combat service. The Canarded Delta Wing design is better in manoeuvrability as we all know. But what the Gripen E offers here is a Contemporary Electronic Warfare abilities that is what truly matters in Next Gen. warfare. The price is high but that is because Gripen has got so much to offer.

Sensor Suite :~

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This one is quite impressive amongst all the 4Gs.


Selex Galileo-Raven ES-05 AESA. This radar offers a 200° Coverage owing to its swashplate technique it sees where others are blind. This becomes quite important while on a CAS mission.


IRST (Infra-Red Seach and Track) passive sensor system / Skyward G-infrared active product by Selex-ES is synchronized (acquisition data transmission between devices) and also provides the ability to hang missiles reconciliation to fight.


Gripen E has a new electronic architecture (Net Centric Warfare - NCW). Judged ten times faster than its competitors. The new central system PPLI (Participant Precise Location and Identification) and connects all the slopes internal and external sensors (RAVEN, IRST, EW39, ATFLIR pod) and then offer the best responses to threats. This is right now best thing in Gripen as per me and after F 35 it is the only fighter to be able of that.
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Active lure new generation Gripen aircraft will be the first to have the new generation of active missile decoy "BriteCloud". Once dropped, the "BriteCloud" threaten research priority using standalone digital memory technology (DRFM). The radar pulses are received in the onboard computer of the "BriteCloud" then copied using the frequency of repetitions and then simulate a "false target." This false target, so convincing that the threat system can not detect the deception. The "BriteCloud" will seduce even the most modern threats, away from the firing platform.

Ericsson MACS highly modular multiprocessor real time computer designed for severe airborne environment. The best situational awareness provider and highly pilot friendly. Modular and Multifunctional Defensive Information System MIDIS meets the requirements of survivability and sensor fusion and works good in complex signal environment.
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Reasons for India to select Gripen.

1 Gripen has lowest per unit life cycle and operating costs almost USD 4000.


2 Gripen is the most sensor packed and smartest fighter amongst the Fourth Generation Fighter Aircraft.


3 Gripen makers. The Saab has offered to help India manufacture LCA Tejas and Offer Naval Version of Gripen to Indian Navy IAC and IAC 2.

Reasons for not selecting Gripen.

1 Gripen uses American Engine so it will be difficult to manage supply chain.


2 Gripen's per unit manufacturing cost is higher than that of LM F 16 blk 70.


3 Relatively less battle proven than F 16.

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Some Specifications of Gripen E.

Crew :~ 1 or 2


Engine :~ GE F 414 G the same which is on F 18s with "supercruise" mode which allows to take off without afterburners at full load and achieve Mach1.2 . In this mode, the decibel drop to 99 against with 123 afterburning


Thrust :~ 97.9 KN.

Service Ceiling :~ 15,240 m

Armament :~

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Guns: 1× 27 mm Mauser BK-27 Revolver cannon. 120 rounds.


Diehl-BGT Irish-T with view finder Cobra helmet 3 rd generation

LR-AAM MBDA Meteor

GBU-29 bomb

Recce Pod :~ laser-guided / GPS with laser designator AN / ASQ-228 ATFLIR of American Raytheon and reconnaissance pod "RecceLite" (Days / Night) Israeli Rafael Systems.

Possibility for AIM-120C AMRAAM (Raytheon) in service on the F / A-18C / D Hornet.

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Missiles:

6× AIM-9 Sidewinder (Rb.74) or IRIS-T (Rb 98) or A-Darter
4× AIM-120 AMRAAM (Rb.99) or MICA
4× Meteor
4× AGM-65 Maverick (Rb.75)
2× KEPD.350
2× Rbs.15F anti-ship missile


Bombs:

4× GBU-12 Paveway II laser-guided bomb
2× Bk.90 cluster bomb
8× Mark 82 bombs
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Conclusion :~

So these were the awesomest 4Gs we have got as a choice for replacing the MiG 21s of Indian air force. Seeing the depleting squadron strength it is critical that the decision be taken fast. The F 16 is experienced, comes with a strategic advantage and is versatile. It is relatively cheaper. While the Gripen is costlier is tactically more dominant and has got much greater amount of smart functions and sensors but have the lowest per unit operating cost.


It is up to you my readers which one you chose. But on my personal account I favour the Gripen
Let us know what do you feel about this article by commenting here.
20 Comments
rakesh Kumar sharma
10/25/2016 10:00:13 pm

Since this is the age of electronic warfare and the jet which has more competitive in electronic warfare will be a dominant force. So I give my vote to Gripen.

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#MARUT_ADMIN
10/25/2016 11:32:45 pm

delighted to get your views. You have made a perfect choice BRO!. After F 35, Gripen E is the most sensor packed fighter in the single engine category.

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Chandragupta
10/26/2016 12:39:37 am

But Gripen E is not as experienced as F-16 .Also F-16 has better range and with Gripen E we need both US & Sweden because Engine is US made for Gripen .While F-16 is US made only so easy to manage supply chain from one sources .F-16 are cheaper and very maintenance friendly because of widely used by many countries . Spare parts would be easily available so F-16 fleet will be ready for battle at any time .in War spare parts can be made rapidly because the manufacturing will be done locally . We can get benefit when our made F-16 get exported as per L Martin we'll have share in any F-16 getting exported .!!! Gripen dont offer such advantage . F-16 version 70 is also very much advanced and airframe is battle proven

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Palash Choudhari
10/26/2016 01:19:07 am

I like the way you described the deal breaking points of F 16. But Gripen is also battle proven and relatively more smarter. Gripen's Life Cycle cost is less. The supply chain of American Engine won't be hampered as we are having the same chain for Tejas's engine and Probably for AMCA too. Still F 16 isn't a bad choice even.

Raju vora
10/19/2017 11:37:19 am

Spend money on gripe e for 75 aircraft but must have money for fifth generation and ssn don't waste on useless stuff like aircraft carriers

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Deepak Shah
10/26/2016 01:52:45 am

Evenly matched rivals. American engines for both. Threat of service interruption if US decides to support Pakistan by interrupting supplies.

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39E fan
7/7/2017 01:56:07 pm

Although both have American engines, in the Gripen E only the engine and APU are American. In the F-16 almost everything is, which means tghe Americans will have tight control over what one could do witgh the F-16 and who we could sell it to.

Also where did you get the idea that the F-16 Block 70 is guaranteed to have an engine of 39,000 lbs. thrust? The biggest engine available for the F-16now, the GE F110-132, has a max thrust of 32,000 lbs, and the Pratt engines have even less. There has been some speculation that the F119 could be fitted, but that is no means a certainty. it would also require modifications to the aircraft and the development and testing would be lengthy and costly. Can India afford to carry the cost and time to "pay" for that, since the US has no interest in putting F119s in F-16s?

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#MARUT_ADMIN
10/26/2016 03:41:12 am

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Bhagaban Parida
10/27/2016 10:43:50 am

After going through all the pros and cons of F 16 and Gripen E and the comments given above, Gripen E is better than F 16.

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viceroy
11/8/2016 01:06:07 am

while selecting platform we must consider china factor also..as pakistan operating f-16 from more than 3 decades they will somehow eventually come with counter measures..it doesnt matter whether you drive pulsar-150 or pulsar-180,only skills matter nd regarding to f-16 pakistani are more skillfull than our indian counterpart due to prolonged exposure of f-16..so it would be best if we go for gripen as they also promising to help our indegineous programs...Go For Gripen..

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#MARUT_ADMIN
11/8/2016 09:49:59 am

you are correct , that is one point. But once we start Production of F 16s in India entire PAF fleet of 83 F 16 will be grounded within a month as their will be no spares. For best.

but still let right kind of people decide it. Gripen is still better opt.

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Kapil
6/24/2017 02:08:11 am

Evn if entire fleeg of f16s is grounded (of paki) eventually thy will end up hving china made jets, India should think of becoming self-reliant in gets n eth the help of Swedish we can leap fwd mke up the time lost.

ATANU PATNAIK
1/8/2017 06:01:14 am

Very good.....

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Abhijit Chatterjee
8/30/2017 07:57:04 am

India needs to develop a manufacturing base which can sustain long-term production of advanced fighter planes. This is a long term vision which favors production of the F-16 in India (which Lockheed has offered). While the plant in India will be Lockheed-owned, a lot of spare parts and components will be sourced from Indian manufacturers and that will help grow an Indian manufacturing base allowing India to compete with China and quickly develop manufacturing in India. Future wars will be fought on the economic battlefront. It is unlikely that there will be full-scale war with either Pakistan or China in the near future (look at the outcome of Doklam). This makes the F-16 a front runner in this race for India's next fighter plane.

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Mikael F.
7/27/2019 11:46:20 am

I'm Swedish but i'll be impartial in my opinion.
Both are great fighters and good looking ( not a decisive factor but still ). I actually like them both alot but i choose F-16 E Block 70, because of three reasons 1, maintanence/spare parts. 2, cheaper which allowes investments in other systems. 3, it's combat proven.

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